the big question is what about russia. shell has big interests in russia. they have a lng plant in the far east. producer inly lng all of russia. a project together with gazprom, the world's largest natural gas producer, to send gas to asian markets. that is one of the reasons why the boss at shell went to russia 10 days ago to meet with , to remind him shell is committed to russia despite the sanctions. and ask for his support for a plan to boost capacity at the plant by 50%. as recently as last night, president clinton said if the sanctions keep going up, russia might have to examine deals with western countries when it comes to energy. >> we will pick that point up in a moment. talk to me about what is happening with ukraine. >> ukraine was another place that shell was looking to expand its business. and had an agreement with the central government of ukraine to explore for gas and a stable country. that part of the country is controlled by separatists. not something -- is going to be able to work on any time -- that is not something shells going to be a